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Esprit · Feb 08, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

I think actionjack pretty much said what I was going to say.

Once you reach Level 20, the level indicator on your name is removed. As indicated, most people will be Level 20 in Factions, so seeing that Level next to your name would be redundant, in my opinion. If you are not level 20, your level would still appear on your name.

Lexar · Feb 08, 2006, 06:43 PM // 18:43

You can be level 20 and not yet ascended and be missing 30 attribute points, but once you have that as well, it should go away, I agree.

Loviatar · Feb 08, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

the OP is advocating the position of an elitest grindmonkey who has to prove he/she is superior and finds themselves surrounded by OMG ..........EQUALS........with no number to prove how superior they are.

EVERYBODY

HOW ABOUT A FLASHING NUMBER OVER YOUR HEAD SHOWING YOUR AGE AND YOU CAN KEEP WARCHING IT GO UP, AND UP, AND..................UP .......AND SHOW OFF HOW GOOD YOUR

JOIN OUR GROUP? HELL NO YOU ARE TOO YOUNG.

Lexar · Feb 08, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

What I meant to say is that level 20 doesnt mean anything, so I was suggesting things to replace it with. You can make a big deal about elitism in an other topic.

Epinephrine · Feb 08, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

the OP is advocating the position of an elitest grindmonkey who has to prove he/she is superior and finds themselves surrounded by OMG ..........EQUALS........with no number to prove how superior they are.

EVERYBODY

HOW ABOUT A FLASHING NUMBER OVER YOUR HEAD SHOWING YOUR AGE AND YOU CAN KEEP WARCHING IT GO UP, AND UP, AND..................UP .......AND SHOW OFF HOW GOOD YOUR

JOIN OUR GROUP? HELL NO YOU ARE TOO YOUNG.

Well, I was objecting to the idea of continuing the count beyond 20, and the idea of earning a bunch of medals and stuff. I suppose if it were for an actual in game accomplishment (i.e., all skills unlocked, all missions and bonuses cleared) I could be in favour of an emote or other reward, since that isn't simply a matter of racking up experience, but having an /exp emote or a level indicator showing you as level 53 is only encouraging the already rampant elitism.

So:
For removing the lvl 20 (it's redundant, but then again, why bother removing it...)
For possible PvE rewards, so long as they aren't tied to something silly like experience, but are instead for game accomplishments (All skills unlocked and all bonuses done sound reasonable, as they aren't impossible nor do they have a "level" indicator to them - you can't have more bonus missions done than someone else if you both did them all for example)
Against continuing displays of level, emotes based on experience, gold, faction, fame, rank and all other forms of measuring worth based on the amount of time played.

toramiko · Feb 08, 2006, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

the OP is advocating the position of an elitest grindmonkey who has to prove he/she is superior and finds themselves surrounded by OMG ..........EQUALS........with no number to prove how superior they are.

EVERYBODY

HOW ABOUT A FLASHING NUMBER OVER YOUR HEAD SHOWING YOUR AGE AND YOU CAN KEEP WARCHING IT GO UP, AND UP, AND..................UP .......AND SHOW OFF HOW GOOD YOUR

JOIN OUR GROUP? HELL NO YOU ARE TOO YOUNG.

I don't support all the ideas Lexar mentions. Like the level beyond level 20. But he does have some good suggestions. And one I would defintely like to see is the one I mentioned before:

Quote:

Originally Posted by toramiko

Anyway. I like the idea of unlocking ranks or emotes as you complete a certain percentage of PVE. My monk has everything completed, missions/bonuses, and quests... and nothing to show for it. Pretty sad.

I for one, would actually like to see more players have more of PVE completed. This would give them an incentive to do so.

Personally, it bugs me, for players who have 3 level 20 chars or more, but have never set foot into the Hell's Precipice mission. Or has never done Ice Caves or Iron Mines because they skipped it all just to do Thunderhead Keep to get to Ember Light Camp.

On a side note:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Epinephrine

and there is no real measure of skill in PvE

I suppose there isn't. But PVE is a good indication of one's skills, teamwork, and understanding of the game. Especially with the higher level content.

The players who claim THK being the hardest mission or some quest to be "impossible to do" should re-evaluate his/her own understanding of the game, or the teams they choose to join.

DJ Josh · Feb 08, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

/signed
come on now who doesn't love rewards for their acheivements.
i do remember reading some thing from 1 of the devs about there being ways to define ourselves more in pve for ch2,but do they meen a rewrd system like this or just a hair dresser/town cloths type of thing ?.

SyR1S · Feb 08, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

awesome idea this is one of the best, show the levels and show how much weve played but not actually give us any extras for playing longer, just show that we have.

Ken Dei · Feb 09, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

"Signet of Minor Approval"

Removing lvl 20 indicator: Don't care either way
Rewards for Exp lvl: *Rolls up news paper* No! Bad idea! Bad! *Whack!*
Rewards for Finishing Missions/Bonus/Certain Quests/etc: Good Idea

This is very much similar to the "Titles" idea posted by another, my favorite addition to this would be getting a certain number of kills of a type of mob, or maybe soloing a certain amount at the same time. But I digress, and I shall digress again.

Actually in the interveiw I read (recent one) 20% of Factions will be for Ascended Players. Confirmation?

Qcho · Feb 09, 2006, 02:49 AM // 02:49

/signed

Ultimate_Gaara · Feb 09, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

Well, I hate to be a disagreeing Danny, but I have to disagree with this suggstion. There is just something about giving people more to brag about that makes me want to shoot it down, and trust me I know all about getting shot down... Zing.

Anyways the idea is nice but I can not see it doing any good what-so-ever to the community that is already so focused on "LOLZ show us how leetz u arrrrr. Zomg ur only rank 3! ZLOL N<><>b."

So as you can see I disagree.... Like the disagreeing person I am.

Tuoba Hturt Eht · Feb 09, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

The OP had two suggestions, the first which promotes bragging that you, Ultimate_Gaara disagrees.

The second, which suggests that the level 20 label be removed all together when a player has "ascended" and have 200 maximum attribute points.

I myself don't like the first idea which promotes elitism, bragging etc.
But for the second idea, I believe it would be feasable.

Musiek · Feb 09, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

/signed

FrogDevourer · Feb 09, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

New PvE emotes (a la pvp rank) for players with notable PvE accomplishments (all titan quests, final assault very quickly, new UW in less than one hour, all missions completed flawlessly at least once, or whatever)? Why not.

Rewarding farmers/grinders with a badge? Not a thrilling perspective.

Manyer · Feb 09, 2006, 05:51 PM // 17:51

/signed

zhai · Feb 10, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

/signed

fallot · Feb 10, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviator

this good enough?

While I dont doubt its veracity a link would be nice.

Ventrue · Feb 17, 2006, 12:10 AM // 00:10

I'd say all rewards that don't modify stats / gear / whatever_is_useable are somewhat the little but with great meaning flavour of the game.

Theese little things that are worth exactly nothing (in meaning of advantage over others) are acceptable.

What have PvE Players that PvP character will never got? (not mentioning gear gear type like grotto / fow armor)
There are only two things - gear that is not customized and infused armor.
Ok, I forgot, Ascention, UW spider as pet

and collectors items.

What have PvP that PvE will never get?
Weapons / gear with PVP prefix in name.

All rest is achieveable by both types. For PvP major factor is Fame / Rank, it is normal that denizens of PvE would like to show up somewhat different from heroes of PvP.

Armor, pets, different stuff. This is true for PvE to PvP comparison, while PvP against PvP have fame / rank, PvE against PvE have nothing to distinguish those who followed plot synopsis from those who runned whole game.

IMHO - best way to distinguish runners from story followers is as others mentioned kind of gift / reward for completing all skills/runes/upgrades unlock, cooperative missions and bonuses, for quests really hard like titans.

However things like "Finish new tombs in less than FIXED_AMOUNT_OF_TIME is pointless due to some party builds can't achieve this whatever their efforts are. Show me a trapper team doing Tombs in less than 90 minutes and I'd say I saw nothing in GW.

Anyway,
/signed for distinguishing PvE against "PvE"

shardfenix · Feb 17, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lexar

Right now with the new expansion going to be 80% aimed to ascended or lvl 20 characters

Slow down. The expansion is NOT aimed at level 20 characters. If you buy the expansion, you are expected to play through the campaign from level 1, although you can play with your level 20 Prophecies character if you really wanted to.

actionjack · Feb 17, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

I like a EXP Level Ranking Insignia better...
Stripes, Stars, and Crown....